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Why are there no pages set up for 2009/2010 complaints, questions, searches?

Please see Art History 2009-2010.

Salary multiplier[]

Not to get ahead of ourselves, but...I assume everyone knows about the salary information on the CHE web site based on the AAUP survey. But my question is:

  • How much less than the posted averages do art historians usually make? We can assume that engineers and business faculty make more than the average, and presumably it's us humanists bringing the average down.
  • Based on the experiences I had last year with campus interviews, I found that the entry level salary for an assistant professor in art history was anywhere from 20 to 30% less than the average given on the CHE webpage: for instance, the University of Memphis average was in the mid-50's, and I was offered $40,000. UT Dallas average was $65,000, the position was posted at $30,00 - 40,000. Pretty grim, but necessary to know, so you don't get your hopes up.
  • Damn. Very useful to know, thank you!
  • I was told that the annual salary amounts in the Chronicle are for annualized salaries (12 months of the year); most faculty members in the humanities are paid only for a 9 month year. Thus, the trick is to multiply the number listed by .75 (9/12=75%). If the average given is 60,000 for assistant professors, then the actual average for a 9-month appointment is $45,000.
  • Are you sure that's true re: annual salary? What kind of professor expects to teach 12 months/year? As I understand it, professors have a choice to receive their salary over a 9 mo. or 12 mo. period, but the annual salary is the same. If you teach during the summer or do administrative tasks you receive extra summer pay. Whatever you do, negotiate, negotiate, negotiate!
  • According to the Chronicle: "The salaries are reported in thousands of dollars and are rounded to the nearest hundred. They are adjusted to a nine-month work year." The numbers for female faculty seem to match most closely (though still a little higher) th art history ave. salaries. Its been my experience that there is a marked difference between the elite private versus smost states schools and second and third tier privates. What I have found to be a lot more useful are those instances where newspapers or concerned citizens obtain and publish salary information via freedom of information act. Find someone on the faculty nearest your rank and look up their name, guessing they might have had about a 2.5-3% raise yearly since they started. I tried posting some websites, but wikia keeps blocking them. Search: "state salary database" and the name of the state. In wasting too much time obsessively doing this, it looks like an elite public like U. of North Carolina starts its 1st year art history asst. prof.s at $65,000-70,000 matching most privates research institutions and elite LAC's, while the once good schools in now troubled states like Michigan, Washington and Minnesota atart around 50-55,000. Second to third tier schools like U. Iowa, Clemson, U Mass, and most Masters I schools start in the mid 40's. Depressing. In the old days I suppose it was 'get what you pay for' but in this job market, the lower tier places are getting talent at bargain basement prices as we take what we can get, even if its chump change. Don't expect to go up more than a 1000 or so at these placs when you negotiate (unless you have a higher offer from another school of course).

University of Chicago - Ancient Mediterranean[]

(Request for letters of recommendation sent to recommenders, 9OCT08) Anyone heard anything at all from these jokers? (1/19) absolutely nothing! (2/20: one month later, still nothing- anyone else?) Nope. Still jokers. (2/23) Agreed. btw check out the comments under the 'North Africa, the Sahara' listing might apply to this one too... (2/24) Anybody heard anything? Anyone have the feeling this ridiculous department just conducts fake searches each year to make themselves feel important? (3/30) Our department is not ridiculous, rather it conducts broad searches in the hope of finding the best candidate. Last year we conducted 2 searches and made 2 hires. =Listen, no one is denigrating what is obviously a world class department; at least afford (all 800 of) us who applied to these searches the courtesy of entertaining ourselves with bad jokes while we wait for signs of life (4/1)= Chicago's reputation is slipping, though. I know numerous really good people who haven't even bothered applying there over the past few years, precisely because the searches are so strange and opaque. {Any UofC grad students out there care to share what they've eavesdropped about what's going on with these three searches? From asking around, I'm sympathetic that the senior faculty can tend to keep grad students out of the loop, but anyone able to share what is going on with this, the Latin American and pan-Asian searches? 4/10} Rumor from the clerical grapevine: Expect your rejection emails to start arriving next week if you haven't already started to receive them. Thanks all for participating in our annual, pan-world searchextravaganza! We genuinely look forward to collecting your cv's and rejecting you again. Until next year! (4/22) Wow. Nice. 4/25: Am I missing something? Frustration I understand but not so much the anger. I can't tell from all this vitriol if this search failed or if they made an ancient Med hire or what. 4/27 search is still in progress. As noted above, esp from the point of view of candidates, the pace can feel glacial. Indeed, it is unclear why so much vitriol is directed at this department in particular when its practices are indistinguishable from those of peer departments. 4/28 The last 2 posters might be a bit dramatic in throwing around 'anger' and 'vitriol,' but from reading all the recent press/chronicle stuff I would hazard that a) this is the first year of a *very* dramatic shift in academic hiring that has the potential to generationally exclude about about a decade of recent PhDs, and b) because anyone who really knows, realizes UC is the 'hidden hand of scholarship,' 'teacher of teachers,' 'more Nobel Laureates than any other' institution, and thus untouchable, it has become an (undeserved?) lightening rod for the anxieties of those who feel systemically exploited. Anyway, thank you to whoever finally decided to share the following:

Campus Visits: yes, conducted early spring.

not understanding the above comment re: generational exclusion, what was in the chronicle of higher ed about this and what was the press coverage about u of c?

I'm not the author of that remark but I don't think s/he meant there was specific press coverage about the U of C in the Chronicle or press...rather, that the job market situation, because of the financial crisis, is so dreadful that a generation of scholars will be excluded from academia (though conditions IN academia being what they are I think there are worse fates than being excluded from it). And (now I'm reaching out on a limb to interpret this person, so please correct me if I'm wrong) that a lot of frustration has been directed at the U of C because of its particular status within academia. I don't see it -- i.e. why Princeton, Columbia, or NYU's equally opaque searches, among others, have not come in for similar bile.

And the last poster decided to take a side swipe at the last three programs why, exactly? Because they're among the most prominent (not to mention strongest) art history departments in the country and make for convenient targets? Or do you have specific "opaque" searches in mind to support your claim? If not, I would suggest keeping such speculative comments to yourself. It only makes you appear ill-informed or, worse, bitter. And I'm sure you're neither.

WOW, someone is defensive. There was no swipe intended. My point is not that there's anything wrong with Princeton, Columbia, or NYU. My point is that a) the previous poster claimed that Chicago was being attacked because of its prominence AND that b) other prominent departments conduct searches in approximately the same way Chicago does: i.e., taking their time (at least from the point of view of the hapless applicant), not letting much information leak out to people outside the faculty of the department, not, alas, being able to hire more than one or two of the hundreds of people who apply, and having to come up with a letter informing people of that fact that doesn't offend them mightily. The only mystery to me is why people hate Chicago so much, not why they don't hate the others.

University of Vermont[]

  • Wishing all the best to whoever took the job -- seems like you'll have some wonderful colleagues!
  • Are you serious or joking?
  • My interviewers were bored-to-tears, rude, and condescending. The worst of the bunch was literally slumped in the chair like a child forced to go to dinner with the parents. My sense was that they a.) are unhappy as a team or b.) already knew their pick. Waste of everyone's time. And you?
  • Wonderful colleagues?? Oh my - that is a serious stretch...I interviewed with them last year (when they had a failed search for this position) and they were all over the map; and I second the rude and condescending bit...One of their studio faculty on the committee had behavior that bordered on actionable.
  • I feel a bit better that it wasn't just me! When the attitude began (about 2 minutes into the interview), I had the thought of ending the interview right there because it was so awful and such a waste of time and money.
  • We won't even talk about not getting picked up at the airport, being told to keep receipts, and refusing to reimburse once they were supplied....They ARE unhappy and I would have refused the position if it were offered in favor of a fast-food gig instead.
  • I didn't get the job either, but at least I'm not being a baby about it. There was nothing wrong with the committee or the interview. This is an outrageous misuse of the wiki -- and if you're wondering why you're not getting jobs maybe it has something to do with your attitude displayed on these pages, and/or the fact that you apparently spend way too much time on these pages and not enough time getting your own work done. You guys need to grow up and get over it.
  • (new poster -- who also didn't get the job) while I don't agree with the tone of the previous poster s/he has a point -- there is a wiki set up for interview concerns and problems -- such venting should probably be posted on the Universities to Fear page.
  • Being told to keep receipts is outrageous?
  • The critiques above are funny; echoes of my experience with these people last year in a phone interview for a VAP replacement position. Rude, blasé, burnt-out cases. Big chip on their collective shoulder. Their group identity seemed to be presaged on their negativity about the job. They clearly thought my optimism regarding the profession was ridiculous and naive. My statement that I intended to assign a course reader met with group hilarity: Ha! She thinks our students would actually, like, bother to read it! Asked to describe the student body: "white, well-to-do, and extremely *recreationally* oriented." Uproarious laughter again. If they hate the job so much, I wondered, why don;t they do everyone else a favor and quit?
  • Edited to add: I disagree that posting criticisms here is inappropriate. In light of the way the deck is stacked against candidates, I think it is important to publicize institutions' treatment of candidates in places that people will notice. This has nothing to do with individuals' success in getting jobs, or lack thereof.
  • I beg to differ. Much of the negativity here borders on slander and is obviously the result of bitterness about not being offered the job. I was exceptionally well treated and it is clearly a happy, productive department. Perhaps instead of pointing fingers at the committee a little self-reflection about how to do better next time is in order. I would also add that I know the finalists and the above poster who wrote about not being picked up at the airport, etc. was not one of them--so is either lying or is referring to another year. Get over it and grow up.
  • Um, hi, all. It was me who posted the "seems like you'll have some wonderful colleagues" thing, and I haven't been back since until now. It was interesting to read all of your comments and get a compressed version of this conversation (sometimes argument, but still seemed useful, for the most part). I can say this: I actually was sincere. I had heard from a few sources about someone who was there for several years and really liked it, thought the colleagues were great, liked the town, etc. I had a first round interview with them and saw some of the things mentioned above, but generally thought they seemed okay. I'm actually a ways down the tenure track (and withdrew from this search since I decided I would not be likely to leave my current job for this one, once I got a handle on the specifics of the teaching load), and have learned that we academics often have some quirks, so I try to cut people some slack. Interviews are intense situations for those giving them too (something I have now done, so I've been on both sides of the table), and people sometimes say stupid things (and occasionally later joke with each other: "WHAT was that that you said about x to y?"). The laughing about students not reading sounds more like frustration than apathy; it's something that I think a lot of us run into and it's a real challenge. Yes it was not right to pop a jr. colleague's balloon and to give her the sense that it was hopeless. She probably has great ideas and will meet with some success! But I don't think it means that this crew doesn't care about what they are doing. So those are my two cents. I do, with all sincerity, wish whomever they hired and the rest of you all the best as you search for the right institution to house you as you grow and develop as scholars and teachers. I think a lot about those of you just coming out of doctoral programs right now and wish that the field had more to offer you. I hope that the situation improves fast.
  • I am glad not to be a job seeker this year. It is a terrible situation all around for job seekers, and committees must have a mountain of applications to wade through. That is why I think it's a good thing to have the wiki to air both praise and critiques, and this has been a revealing discussion. It also is interesting that the changes register shows that the post beginning "I beg to differ. Much of the negativity here borders on slander..." seems to have come from a comcast customer near Burlington, Vermont.
  • Yes, changes were made by a Burlington, VT, address--imagine that! And it isn't slander to express the truth; I am hardly bitter about getting a job that would entail diving headfirst into a hornet's nest. No thanks! And, yes, being told to keep receipts for reimbursement and totally ignoring them once they are submitted is not only unprofessional, it clarifies in no uncertain terms that the program has very little integrity. Sorry, but sometimes the truth hurts! Now, off to write a chapter in my book...By the way, it's funny that the "get over it and grow up" poster re-visited TWICE to pontificate about how to spend recreational time....How predictable...
  • I'm sorry: I misunderstood your original post and thought you were complaining that you had to keep receipts at all (i.e. that everything wasn't simply paid for, or reimbursed without receipts). Having never been picked up at the airport in years of campus visits, I got an initial impression that your expectations were a bit high. But I wonder, if it was this year that you visited, have you tried calling or emailing the department assistant, or SC chair? It is not unheard of (at many institutions) for reimbursements to take months.

U. of Oregon BCC Debacle[]

  • Received email request for Affirmative Action info 2/2/09. (With about 40 people cc'ed on the email. Should I Google my competition?)
  • I googled you - did you google me? Perhaps not the smartest move, but it is nice to see how many people are actually applying for these positions...and it made me laugh, always a plus. (2/3)
  • The lovely Getty did the same thing last year for the Pre/Postdocs: there were around 1000 emails. I'm surprised it was only 40 people or so-- I would have thought there were a lot more unemployed modernists out there!
  • There are... the email I got didn't cc someone I know applied for the job. It had to have been done in batches.
  • Someone seriously needs to insert a module on "The Bcc" into the universal university employee administrative handbook.
  • Like they read those things! Maybe an animated YouTube video then.
  • Agreed, Univ Maine did this last year as well. I find it so unprofessional.
  • Did anyone TELL Oregon about this unprofessional gaffe?
  • What would be the purpose of that?
  • According to the ancient wisdom of the sages, once the cat has escaped from the bag and knocked over the saucer spilling the milk that it has begun to lick, there is no use in crying over one's failure to skin it and prevent the licking. I believe this insight is applicable to the BCC situation.
  • Given the number of clumsy cats out there (this is the fifth occasion I have read about in two years) I would recommend mass e-mails to the search chair (not the poor secretary) letting him/her know how stupid he/she is making their university look.
  • I did this last year with one chair and received a shame-faced (if earnest) apology, swearing he would never let it happen again! Why should we take this sort of thing lying down? It would never happen in the professional world!
  • FWIW, It wasn't the SCC who actually sent the email (although it was signed with his name), it came from another email address, presumably the department admin.
  • YAWN, wake me up when something actually happens.
  • I taught at UO a few years ago and the same person worked there then who probably sent out the multiple e-mails . She's the nicest person in the Department but often scatterbrained. Don't cause a fuss if you hope to work there because she is the only normal human being in the Department and if you get the job you will need her help--you sure won't get any from the the faculty, esp. the longest-serving members.
  • Just goes to show that everything is not always what it seems. Thanks for the insight. Poor woman, I hate to think of what she has to put up with every day, if the faculty are as nasty as you indicate.
  • This "poor woman" has made a career of similar bungles. And yes, the faculty has checked out and is less nasty than completely immersed in their own scholarship. And no, no department head (thus far) wants to go through the excruciating process of firing her. And so, don't send your babies to UO Art History.
  • Above sounds like AH faculty. This staffer is not responsible for the poisonous atmosphere and wretched conduct of the faculty, whether complaining about "our loser graduate students" or plotting the removal of a seriously ill colleague. There is, also, the elephant in the department: the despicable conduct of a senior faculty member which has seriously affected enrollment in the graduate program. Do some Web search for more info.
  • BTW - I edited my original comment that someone had modified in an totally inappropriate way. Please leave other people's words alone.
  • Where would one look on the web for such information? The only thing that I turned up was a highly positive review of the grad program (citing familial atmosphere, etc.): http://www.studentsreview.com/OR/UO_g.html

Impact of the financial crisis[]

I'm sure we all hope that most of these searches won't be cancelled on account of the financial crisis...

News articles[]

  1. Buffalo hiring freeze extended
  2. Harvard FAS freezes all faculty salaries, cuts searches
  3. Kentucky foresees hiring freeze, tuition hike
  4. Deaton clarifies Missouri hiring freeze conditions
  5. Departments feel squeeze from New Mexico's hold on hiring
  6. Hiring freeze on at Tennessee
  7. At Washington, the search is off
  8. No Hiring at Alabama-Huntsville in wake of cuts
  9. Ball State issues hiring freeze
  10. South Carolina-Beaufort instituting hiring freeze
  11. UMass outlines $3 million in cuts

Discussions[]

  1. Hiring Freeze!
  2. Disappearing Jobs
  3. The Tightening Humanities Job Market

Listings in multiple categories[]

What about jobs that are listed under multiple categories in the database -- we'll have to keep track so that multiple competing versions of the same job don't get mixed up...

School of Art Institute of Chicago contemporary listing[]

I'm not so sure about the utility of having the SAIC contemporary international/cross-cultural job cross-posted in a half-dozen different categories... FrankJewettMather 02:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

is it possible to list schools that aren't already listed? Mwadzuka 01:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Multiple sub-field listings[]

While inelegant, for the increasing number of jobs that cross across sub-fields (the U of C all-of-non-Western job, the SAIC contemporary job, the Minn E. Asian job, etc.), it seems necessary to have a reference or link in each of those sub-fields to the one place where the full information is. It is both helpful to applicants and fair in representing the many subfields from which these jobs hope to attract those applicants.

"Reference or link" -- as opposed to a separate, duplicate listing -- that's a good way of dealing with the issue that avoids having to update six different entries every time a new development occurs. Also, please sign or at least date with the four tildes. 128.36.46.196 17:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Listing Fellowships[]

Where should I put the Getty postdocs?

Yale ISM position[]

Q. What's with the inverted commas around "Christian" in the position description? A. Just was a flag that that was all the specificity given in the original CAA ad. Probably fine to delete them now that people have double checked it themselves.


Miscellaneous Venting[]

  • Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Please excuse me. I just needed to get that out of my system.

  • Let the games begin!
  • Sales of Illy ground coffee, Jack Daniels, Paxil, Zoloft, Advil, et al., are surely spiking in the vicinity of graduate lounges across the land...
  • Furthermore, ahahahahahaahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahh!

(Bangs head against wall.)

  • Bandejo, bandejo, bandejo, chinga tu madre, bandejo, tu madre una puta, puta puta puta...
  • DEAR LORD, HOW LONG DO THEY EXPECT US TO WAIT?????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
  • what an effing song and dance this whole job search is, i feel like a trained monkey.
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